Karen on Drums in studio?
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ullalume
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Briefly, and correct me if I'm wrong guys,
OFFERING:
All tracks
CLOSE TO YOU:
HELP, ANOTHER SONG, LOVE IS SURRENDER, I'LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN
CARPENTERS:
THE BACHARACH MEDLEY
A SONG 4 U:
Flat Baroque
NOW AND THEN:
All tracks except Jambalaya
HORIZON:
Please Mister Postman, Happy
MADE IN AMERICA:
Shared drumming and percussion on When it's Gone
Shared percussion on Those Good Old Dreams
Hope this helps, mate.
Neil
OFFERING:
All tracks
CLOSE TO YOU:
HELP, ANOTHER SONG, LOVE IS SURRENDER, I'LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN
CARPENTERS:
THE BACHARACH MEDLEY
A SONG 4 U:
Flat Baroque
NOW AND THEN:
All tracks except Jambalaya
HORIZON:
Please Mister Postman, Happy
MADE IN AMERICA:
Shared drumming and percussion on When it's Gone
Shared percussion on Those Good Old Dreams
Hope this helps, mate.
Neil
SakuraSYayoi
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Would you tell me where we can find an information about "Help"?
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ullalume
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I can't remember where I read about Help but I'm sure it's her drumming.
Also, everything from the Close To You sessions recorded before the song of the same name had Karen drumming (as we know Hal Blaine replaced her with this song). We also know that Help was slated as the next carpenter single before CTY came along.
Therefore, Karen drummed on HELP.
I'm 99 percent sure, anyway.
Neil
Also, everything from the Close To You sessions recorded before the song of the same name had Karen drumming (as we know Hal Blaine replaced her with this song). We also know that Help was slated as the next carpenter single before CTY came along.
Therefore, Karen drummed on HELP.
I'm 99 percent sure, anyway.
Neil
SakuraSYayoi
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Thank you, Neil.
Sakura
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Rick-An Ordinary Fool
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Yes thanks Neil, some of those I didn't realize she played drums on, especially When it's Gone, No wonder why I like it so much.
...always outside the norm on my favorites, online...
...always outside the norm on my favorites, online...
ullalume
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Can't believe its been 10 years since i wrote on this particular thread, but realized I missed off a track. She also drummed on Crystal Lullaby (according to the Carpenters perform Carpenter credits).
GaryAlan
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According to the official (dormant) website,
http://www.richardandkarencarpenter.com/SN_ReasonToBelieve.htm
http://www.richardandkarencarpenter.com/SN_ReasonToBelieve.htm
Allhitradio
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I'm not entirely sure Karen played drums on Help. Back in the late 1980s, pre-internet, a friend of mine got hold of a copy of 'Your Navy Presents'. At the time, we had no idea what the tape was and my friend made a copy and sent it to Richard with a list of questions about the tape. In his reply, he explained about the radio programme for services personnel based overseas and explained a little about some of the tracks. He said that most of the tracks were recorded 'as live' but 'Help' was not. He said it was an early 'unsweetened' mix (his precise words) from the studio sessions for the Close to You album and that the final version differed from it, in that strings were added and Karen's drumming was replaced with drumming by Hal Blaine on the album. Not sure whether he was right about all that, but that's definitely what he said at the time.
After reading the list in this thread and "mentally" listening to those songs Karen played on, I can kind of imagine where Herb Alpert was coming from when he wanted Hal Blaine to come in and do the drums on "Close To You." On various interviews, Herb said the drumming needed a little more energy and needed to be funkier. Listening to the way she drums on the songs we KNOW it's her, I think I can fairly well imagine what she sounded like on the early recordings of "Close To You." Would still be fun to hear those sessions though!
ullalume
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you're right. I slipped up. Upon looking at the credits on the Japanese Anthology I see it was Blaine that supplied the drums for help, not Karen
I'm pretty certain it was Hal who played drums on Help. Sounds like his chops, not to mention the session contract for that song also states it was cut along with the rhythm tracking of Close To You and I Kept On Loving You.
ullalume
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I'm pretty certain it was Hal who played drums on Help. Sounds like his chops, not to mention the session contract for that song also states it was cut along with the rhythm tracking of Close To You and I Kept On Loving You.
You're right, Chris. I noticed my faux-pas back in March. Is that her on "Never Fall in Love"
GaryAlan
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I love Karen Carpenter on drums. Especially when she does double duty, drumming and singing simultaneously.
That being said, Jim Gordon and Larrie Londin's studio work (Only Yesterday and Touch Me When We're Dancing, respectively),
resonate strongly in my mind.
The other drummers involved with Carpenters' recordings and concerts, were , also , always top notch!
That being said, Jim Gordon and Larrie Londin's studio work (Only Yesterday and Touch Me When We're Dancing, respectively),
resonate strongly in my mind.
The other drummers involved with Carpenters' recordings and concerts, were , also , always top notch!
GaryAlan
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I note that the drumming arrangements on Carpenters' songs were always rather interesting.
I did forget a few session drummers: Ed Greene (All You Get From Love), John Robinson, and
Ron Tutt (he seems to be the 'go to' guy on the later albums--MIA).
Karen's timing on This Masquerade and Postman is impeccable.
Cubby O'brien drums on Goofus.
I am fascinated by how Richard Carpenter decided who would drum on which songs.
How did he go about making the decision?
His preference seems to have been Hal Blaine in the early days, and Ron Tutt in the later period.
And, the drumming on the Solo album is fantastic, I might add. Love Liberty DeVitto.
I did forget a few session drummers: Ed Greene (All You Get From Love), John Robinson, and
Ron Tutt (he seems to be the 'go to' guy on the later albums--MIA).
Karen's timing on This Masquerade and Postman is impeccable.
Cubby O'brien drums on Goofus.
I am fascinated by how Richard Carpenter decided who would drum on which songs.
How did he go about making the decision?
His preference seems to have been Hal Blaine in the early days, and Ron Tutt in the later period.
And, the drumming on the Solo album is fantastic, I might add. Love Liberty DeVitto.
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